New Guardrails Must Be Enacted to Defend Democracy Against a Future Trump-like Dictatorship

Interview with Brett Edkins, Stand Up America’s managing director of policy and political affairs, conducted by Scott Harris

Brett Edkins, Stand Up America’s managing director of policy and political affairs, discusses his group’s work defending democracy, opposing Trump’s military deployments to Los Angeles, Washington, D.C. and likely other U.S. cities in the Trump-GOP attempt to rig the 2026 midterm election — as well as the work Stand Up America is doing with the national “Not Above the Law Coalition.”

SCOTT HARRIS: As we begin our program, I’m very happy to welcome back to Counterpoint, Brett Edkins, managing director of policy and political affairs with the group Stand Up America. Brett, great to have you back on the show. Thanks for joining us.

BRETT EDKINS: Scott. It’s good to be with you.
SCOTT HARRIS: So as we begin, I wondered if you would just talk briefly about your group, Stand Up America and what you do, and also a bit about a national coalition of groups called Not Above the Law Coalition. But talk about Stand Up America first, if you would.
BRETT EDKINS: Sure, yeah. Stand Up America is a digital-first grassroots organization with over 2 million members nationwide in all 50 states in every congressional district, and we were founded in 2016 to resist Donald Trump’s attacks on democracy. And as his second term brings new threats, we’re again mobilizing at the state, local, federal levels to stand up to corruption; protect our rights to vote; protect our democracy; combat corruption and electing democracy champions. And we’re fighting back. We’re also part of the Not Above the Law Coalition, which is a diverse coalition of over 150 nonprofit organizations, including grassroots groups, think tanks, legal scholars and researchers who are standing together to protect democracy and uphold the rule of law. The coalition represents tens of millions of Americans altogether from all walks of life across the political spectrum. And what we do together is leverage our networks and our expertise to ensure that more voices are heard and that we’re all coordinating.

Our mission is very focused on exposing and stopping judicial defiance. As you know, Trump is defying the courts and court orders combating the weaponization of law enforcement like DOJ and the FBI and ICE and challenging blatant corruption, which we’re seeing unfortunately every day. And we do this through mobilizations, through strategic communications and public education, as well as litigation. And by amping up all these networks and these coalition groups and exerting pressure on Congress, the courts, public opinion, we hope to hold Trump accountable. And I think our real superpower is to combine the grassroots power, which Stand Up America can bring and move on and other members with illegal and communications expertise and strategies of the other organizations to combat this current crisis that we find ourselves in.

SCOTT HARRIS: Thank you for that, Brett, and we’ll be sure to give out some of the websites and resources that people can tap into related to our discussion tonight. Brett, I find myself always beginning the show by running down a roster of horrible things going on, and I hate to do that. But it really sets the stage for some ways we could fight back.

But we’re now living in a time of unprecedented attacks against democracy, our Constitution and the rule of law by the Trump administration, which clearly has executed an authoritarian and fascist, I would say agenda to remove all checks and balances on executive power to impose a dictatorship. We have the military now being deployed to U.S. cities, Los Angeles and Washington, D.C. with threats by Trump to send the National Guard to other cities across the country, mostly minority-majority cities. So this certainly has a racial character as well.

We have a mass secret police force now in ICE that acts as Trump’s personal enforcers, abducting non-citizens and citizens alike without due process. We’re witnessing rampant corruption on a scale unlike anything seen in modern American history. And all this while the Republican Congress and the U.S. Supreme Court act as a rubberstamp to enable Trump’s authoritarian rule as Republican legislators slash social safety net programs. I think $1 trillion was taken out of Medicaid, Medicare and the SNAP food and nutrition program. There’s really not enough time in this program to list all the attacks on our democratic institution. But Brett, I wanted to start out our conversation by getting your overview of what we’ve been witnessing take place in the U.S. over the first seven and a half months of this second Trump regime.

BRETT EDKINS: Well, as you said, the list, the parade of horribles seems endless. We are witnessing a sustained ongoing assault on the rule of law and on democracy itself. I think we have to call a spade a spade. This is what it looks like when a democracy descends into authoritarianism. We’re not there yet. A lot of our institutions and our people are fighting back. But this is what it looks like when democracy and the rule of law are under threat.

And you provided a good list to add a few of the just unbelievable things that he has done in the last seven months. And Donald Trump is guilty of so many unconstitutional and unlawful actions that it’s staggering. He refuses to spend money appropriated by Congress, which is Congress’s power. He has removed heads of independent agencies who are protected by law from summary firings. He’s fired civil servants without cause, including Jan. 6 prosecutors who put violent criminals who attacked the Capitol in jail. He’s dismantled federal agencies without any legal basis for doing so.

And as you said, he’s called up the National Guard on very thin pretexts to terrorize U.S. citizens, stop and arrest citizens and lawful residents without due process. He sent ICE agents with masks, without badges or identification to raid businesses and communities across the country. He’s investigating political enemies. He’s threatening the broadcast licenses of institutions like ABC and NBC in violation of the First Amendment.

And as you said, he’s siphoning billions of dollars to his family businesses. Forbes estimates that Trump’s worth has more than doubled to more than $5 billion as of just the past year. Qatar is sending him luxury jets, the Saudis, the Qatar, the Emirates. They’re investing in Trump businesses. India, Vietnam and Qatar are planning to build Trump golf courses all in a fairly desperate and transparent attempt to bribe Donald Trump and his administration.

Meanwhile, the Supreme Court — which is three of the justices were appointed by him and the other three conservatives are aligned with him — are continually enabling this assault on our democracy and the rule of law rather than just to take one example, rather than strike down the blatantly unconstitutional order to deprive Americans of birthright citizenship as guaranteed by the 14th Amendment of the Constitution. The Supreme Court condemned the district judges for doing their job, didn’t condemn Trump, went after their own judges in their own Article 3 branch of government who were stopping the assault on our rights.

Just today, the Supreme Court blessed Donald Trump’s use of ICE to stop people at random in LA for being Latino. The guidance to ICE is to stop people who speak Spanish, who look Latino, who are working in low wage jobs and detain them. Now that is a fairly clear violation of the Fourth Amendment and in an emergency ruling with barely any explanation, the Supreme Court said, “Go ahead.” So we have to be alarmed. We should be alarmed. It just doesn’t mean that we have to give up.

SCOTT HARRIS: Well said, Brett, to take one of many examples of concern about our future. There’s growing concern that one of the objectives of the Trump regime and deploying the military to U.S. cities could be readying a plan to use U.S. troops to delay or disrupt the 2026 midterm election or impound voting machines as Trump had proposed to do after his loss in the 2020 presidential election. There’s a lot of things going on in terms of the 2026 election, but what are your biggest concerns about our ability as a nation to hold free and fair elections to hold Trump and the Republicans accountable in November, 2026?

BRETT EDKINS: Well, I think you’re right that the National Guard, the use of the National Guard and exploiting legal loopholes to send them into D.C. and to threaten to send them elsewhere is a threat to just your day-to-day freedom as an American. And it’s a threat to potentially free elections next year. And Cleta Mitchell, who is a far right-wing extremist who believes in election conspiracy theories, is openly pushing Trump to declare an emergency like he’s done on 10 or so other issues to take control of the elections ahead of 2026. It doesn’t mean that is what is going to happen, but that is certainly a threat that is out there.

But in addition to the militarization of our cities, the redistricting fight right now is I think one of the clearest ways that Donald Trump is trying to subvert the will of the voters and hold onto power in 2026, even if the majority of American people vote against him.

This is kind of a flashback to what he did on Jan. 6 where he tried to hold onto power despite the outcome of an election, and he is doing it because he knows his agenda, as you mentioned, is making life worse for Americans, cutting healthcare, cutting Medicaid, cutting food stamps and food assistance from people all to pay for billionaires tax guts, and corporate tax guts is so unpopular that he knows he has to rig the system in a pursuit to hold onto power.

So he has demanded that Texas, Missouri, Indiana and other Republican states engage in really unprecedented mid-decade redistricting to redraw their maps. And most of the time they are looking at Democrats in the House of representatives who are black or Latino and saying, we are going to put them out of a job. We are going to make it harder for black Americans to elect a black Democrat to represent them. We’re going to make it harder for Latinos to represent somebody to represent them in Congress.

So in these states—and Texas has already done it—they are redrawing maps in an extraordinarily partisan way to cut representation the Republicans in Texas. Gov. Greg Abbott, rather than focusing on flood relief and the actual issues affecting Texans prioritized, put this first and said, “I’m not going to do flood relief until I do a partisan redraw for Donald Trump.”

He’d rather do Donald Trump’s dirty work than help the people of Texas. So they passed a map that would create five new GOP seats before the 2026 midterms. And this comes despite sustained pressure from Texans themselves, almost unanimous opposition in the testimonies before the legislature so that the new maps will be not 25 Republicans and 13 Democrats out of that state to Congress, but 30 Republicans and 8 Democrats in a state that is 45 percent Democrat to only get 20 percent of the seats.

That is what you do if you want to rig the maps. You want to avoid accountability and you’re scared that people are going to hold you accountable in the elections next November. And the exact same thing now is happening in Missouri and Indiana where the legislators there are so scared of Trump and the base that they’re going to do his bidding rather than what the people in their state want. They’d rather do and protect D.C. politicians than provide healthcare or services, combat crime, provide disaster relief or any of the other agenda items that the people of Missouri or Indiana or in Texas actually need.

SCOTT HARRIS: Thanks for that, Brett. We’re speaking this evening here on Counterpoint with Brett Edkins, managing director of Policy and Political Affairs with the group Stand Up America, and we’re talking about the state of democracy in these United States. Brett, I did want to talk more about a concern arising from what Trump and the Republicans are doing around the 2026 election.

Trump has issued executive orders over recent months to eliminate mail-in and absentee ballots and another order to require voters to present passports or birth certificates in order to vote. It’s interesting that Trump always says the quiet part out loud. After his meeting with Vladimir Putin in Alaska, he was very upfront about saying that Vladimir Putin, certainly a despot and a dictator, gave him advice and his advice was to get rid of mail-in ballots. So there you go. I mean it’s hard to interpret where this advice came from and what it’s designed to do, but I would ask you about your concern related to the kind of standard types of voter suppression that Republicans have been up to for a good number of years beyond the concern that the US military could get involved in somehow disrupting or changing the outcome of the 2026 election.

BRETT EDKINS: Sure. Just free advice for anyone who wants to be president of the United States. Don’t take advice from Vladimir Putin. He does not have your best interest at heart. The executive orders you’re talking about shouldn’t be thought of, and the media unfortunately sometimes frames it as a declaration of what the law is. These executive orders are not what the law is. They are more of a statement of feelings. They should be thought of as the ramblings of a man trying to exert power but failing to do so. The president does not have power over U.S. Elections. The Constitution, Article One, Section Four, the elections clause very clearly and simply states that the power of federal elections lies with state legislatures and Congress. Not the president, So he can say whatever he wants in an order, but many of these orders have been stopped in the courts.

Most of them are not moving, and sometimes he has already said, “Oh, I’m actually going to have to go to Congress for some of these” because he realizes how illegal they are. And take when he said, “I’m going to get rid of vote by mail,” they’ve floated an executive order. They got a lot of pushback from groups and from advocates and experts. And then about a week later, the press secretary said, “Actually, we’re going to have to go to Congress for this because the president does not have constitutional authority over our elections.” And there’s a few other things. Some of these executive orders are trying to get at voter data or voting machines at the state level. And for the most part, states are responsibly not replying and not abiding by these so-called orders. The data that voters give to their local boards of elections are protected by state and federal data privacy laws.

The First Amendment, privacy protections also apply to your right to vote and to associate with a party. The 10th Amendment protects state sovereignty and against federal encroachments. And so some of these are all very concerning. We all have to fight back, but this is one of the areas in which the sustained grassroots opposition is working and people need to double down and keep pressuring Congress and their leaders at the state and local level and a federal level to fight back because the Save Act, which is his federal attempt to impose a requirement that everybody provide a passport or birth certificate passed the Republican House, but it is stalled in the Senate and it doesn’t look like it’s moving and it will not move so long as Stand Up America and other advocates are fighting against it. A lot of these things are going to run up against just simple legal requirements that they are unconstitutional or illegal and grassroots pressure and expert pressure because they are a fairly blatant attempt to rig the elections ahead of 2026 so that Donald Trump can avoid accountability.

SCOTT HARRIS: Brett, in terms of accountability, I wanted to ask you about the congressional move under Trump’s big obscene bill. There are $1 trillion in cuts to Medicaid, Medicare and food nutrition programs under the SNAP program, and the Republicans and Trump were very strategic in when these cuts would take effect. They’re not going to take effect until after the 2026 midterm election. So what they’re trying to do is delay any accountability. What is it that your organization, opposition Democratic politicians and the party must do to educate voters about what’s at stake in terms of their own access to healthcare and other vital programs that many working families depend on that may get clouded over in terms of the propaganda that is very effective in communicating misinformation and disinformation day and night here in this country, so that voters when they go to the polls may not understand what’s coming down the pike in terms of these really draconian cuts to vital programs?

BRETT EDKINS: Well, I think that all of us who are trying to fight back against the Trump agenda have to be consistent in our messaging and know that the facts are on our side, so we shouldn’t back down to the misinformation or repeat it. At Stand Up America, one of our goals is to educate the public. We have been getting tens of millions of views on social media every month. We are reaching millions of people across every platform to spread the message and spread the truth about what is happening, especially on corruption.

The Big Beautiful Bill is wildly unpopular. Yes, they’re going to try to sell it, but the latest polling shows over 60 percent of Americans disapprove of that bill and Trump’s approval rating is sinking like a stone. His policies, the slashing of healthcare and food assistance to give tax breaks to billionaires and corporations, it’s unpopular. It’s jacking up costs for everybody, and it’s making life worse for ordinary people.

Now, as you mentioned, the Big Beautiful Bill cuts healthcare from 15 million Americans and food assistance from 4 million, and it increases the deficit by $5 trillion all to pay for big tax cuts for the wealthy. And since the passage of that, we’ve seen every major national poll showing Democrats with an advantage on a generic congressional ballot. Trump knows he can’t hold on the power with those kinds of numbers, so he’s trying to rig the system with redistricting and other things. He’s running scared because he’s afraid a future Congress could act as a check on him, a real check on him and his unpopular agenda and demand accountability. And why else would he be changing the rules if he wasn’t worried about losing?

I’d also say the amount of grassroots pressure that we’re seeing since Trump’s second inauguration. We’ve seen some of the highest levels of grassroots activism in our organization’s eight-year history, and that’s encouraging. New people are coming out every day against what’s happening. They’re alarmed. Yes, the Democratic base or the progressive base is still engaged, but we’re also seeing apolitical people.

I don’t know if you see this where you are, but I am seeing apolitical people that I live around in my neighborhood, in my town suddenly woken up and alarmed by what’s happening. It’s reflected in the fact that 55 percent of Americans now disapprove of him, his approval rating is at a record low, lower than Obama, lower than Biden, lower than anybody else in this point in the presidency,

High housing costs are continuing high, grocery costs are continuing, high gas costs because of his pro- corporate agend. He’s attacking institutions that we took for granted, universities, businesses, the NIH, the CDC. Raids on businesses by ICE, often with business leaders who may have supported Republicans or Trump in the past, but are now alarmed that masked, no-identity agents are running into their businesses and deporting or detaining people who’ve been part of the community for decades.

And the use of the National Guard is also alarming to a lot of people. It’s not limited to just L.A. and D.C. It’s now coming for a town near you. And it’s not only an infringement on your basic rights and freedoms as an American, but it’s an incredible waste of taxpayer dollars in an attempt to distract us from the real issues. He’s spent over $120 million in California. He’s spending a million dollars a day in D.C. for this political theater. Money that could be used to pay for actual community policing to make streets safer, could pay for public school teachers, nurses, housing for people, rural hospitals. None of that is popular and that’s why he is trying to rig the system.

SCOTT HARRIS: Well, we’re almost out of time, Brett, and I wanted to end with this particular question. Donald Trump, with the full backing of the Republican party, has violated the Constitution dozens of times since taking office in January earlier this year, and the courts have either been ineffective in protecting democratic institutions, or in the case of the extremist right-wing majority of justices on the U.S. Supreme Court, they’ve actively supported the shredding of the Constitution and been fascist-friendly in enabling Trump’s dictatorial rule. Happens every day. It just happened today. You mentioned it earlier with their decision (on ICE). What I wanted to get your reaction to was — I’d like you to comment on the urgency of strengthening the guardrails of democracy if the Republicans do lose power in ’26 or ’28, because it seems like this may be the last opportunity to protect democratic institutions from a president and a political party that seems hell-bent on destroying democracy.

BRETT EDKINS: I agree with you. The opportunity to pass a pro-democracy agenda has to be seized quickly. There was a chance early in the Biden administration to pass sweeping democracy reform, and that effort passed the House, had every Democrat in the Senate for it, but it couldn’t get past the filibuster. There was an opportunity in the early Biden administration to get rid of partisan gerrymandering. So half of our conversation, Scott would’ve been absolutely useless because there would be no partisan gerrymandering, but we didn’t pass that bill; couldn’t get past a few members of the Senate who loved the filibuster too much. But if there is another opportunity to strengthen, reform our democracy and throw out the status quo that has not been working for people for decades, then it has to be seized and it has to include Supreme Court reform. The Supreme Court has been bought and paid for by far right interest groups, corporations, the Federalist Society, Donald Trump and his allies.

They’re siding with him time and time again in an extremely political manner, usually through speedy emergency opinions that are barely opinions at all. It’s like a one-sentence thing. The lower courts are surprisingly speaking out for the first time ever this week, you heard district court judges speaking off the record about how alarmed they are by the Supreme Court abandoning them and issuing decisions in an emergency docket way. And that means we need real ethics reform, binding code of ethics in the Supreme Court. It means we need term limits and we may need to think about expanding the number of justices on the court to restore some semblance of balance because this court is more out of whack with where the American people are than any time in living memory. It also means not just ending partisan gerrymandering, but getting money out of politics. It means reducing the powers of the presidency that Trump is exploiting day in and day out.

Some of these loopholes that he’s finding in the National Guard and allowing the military to be used on our streets in endless national emergencies where he can bomb, as you mentioned, Venezuelan boat or other places under an emergency power that Congress has no check on, that he can’t stop spending money that Congress appropriated because that is Congress’s power. And so it has to be comprehensive. And if we let that opportunity go by again, we could be right back here where we’re having the same kinds of conversations because some unscrupulous politicians and either political party are exploiting the legal loopholes to pursue an unlawful, unconstitutional agenda and getting barely any pushback from the courts and institutions that are meant to protect our rights.

SCOTT HARRIS: Well said you, Brett, appreciate you spending time with us tonight and assessing where we’re at. Certainly, it’s nightmarish in all its detail, but you provide some hope as well. So thank you for that. And please leave our listeners with your web address, any social media sites, any resources you want to direct our listeners to find.

BRETT EDKINS: Absolutely. And thank you, Scott for having me. I would say to anybody out there who wants to get involved, go to standupamerica.com, sign up, tell us where you live. We often have very state-based or local specific calls to action for you, your state, your congressperson. We will not be fundraising with you all the time. We won’t be asking you to give us money. We are just asking for your time and for your voice, and we will only ask it in the most strategic way we know possible to fight back because this threat affects all of us.

And then in your local communities, meet the other organizers in your area to speak out. Authoritarianism thrives on silence and acceptance and fear, so speak out in any way that you know how. Speak to members of your community, your church, your school, speak to your neighbors. Go online and speak out. Submit letters to the editor. Go out and march. There’s going to be a march on Oct. 18, but there’s going to be continued actions over the next few months, and so it’s really important to get involved. You can go to standupamerica.com to learn more and to get involved. And thank you for speaking out and not showing fear in the face of this administration. We’re all in this together.

SCOTT HARRIS: Thanks so much, Brett, and as always, we look forward to staying in touch and having you back to talk about some of the things that your group is working on down the line.

BRETT EDKINS: Thank you so much, Scott. Alright, thank you.

SCOTT HARRIS: That’s Brett Edkins, managing director of policy and political affairs with the group Stand Up America.

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